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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 5, 2011 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Monterey revisited

A new copy of the Monterey Pop Festival 6/18/67 set has appeared, from the master reels!
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1967-06-18.115858.sbd.kaplan.flac16

It's more complete (some more stage-talk & tuning) than the older copies, and better-sounding. (The recording is far from perfect, though.)

The Dead themselves were very reluctant to appear at Monterey, certain they were being ripped off, and refusing to be in the film. They were also burdened with a mysterious harmonica "guest" during their songs who didn't actually know how to play harmonica. They were also interrupted mid-set by Peter Tork coming on to tell the audience to calm down. They also had the "kiss of death" spot, right in-between a couple obscure hard-rock acts from England...the Who and the Hendrix Experience. By the end of the night, under a cloud of smoke & flying guitar parts, hardly anyone even remembered the Dead had played...

Nonetheless, this is one of the hardest-rocking Dead shows ever captured. Sloppy as hell, they're in distorted overdrive for the entire set - this was a band gunning to burn off everyone's ears.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 6, 2011 6:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

Powerful stuff. I don't know why 67 shows don't get more love.

This little piece of Monterey Pop history can be yours for a mere $850.

Monterey Pop Festival/Grateful Dead - Telegram From Dead's Managers To Ralph J. Gleason

An original telegram from Grateful Dead managers Danny Rifkin and Rock Scully to San Francisco Chronicle music columnist and Rolling Stone Magazine co-founder Ralph J. Gleason. Rifkin and Scully write to let Gleason (an organizer of the Monterey Pop Festival) know that the Dead have returned from Monterey Pop with amplifiers belonging to The Mamas and the Papas, and that various San Francisco bands are going to use them at the Diggers-organized "Summer Solstice Festival" (which took place a week after Monterey.) Via Gleason, they invite The Mamas and the Papas and their friends to join in the festivities (somewhat disingenuously, as the telegram is dated the day the festival took place, June 21, 1967. Monterey Pop was held the weekend prior.) The Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother and the Holding Company, the Grateful Dead, Quicksilver Messenger Service and Mad River appeared at the "Summer Solstice Festival" and presumably used The Mamas and The Papas equipment. Scully and Rifkin write that if they can't make the show, "we will return it with thanks, to wherever you want to pick it up." Gleason has written "Rifkin" on the front page to indicate that he wanted it filed under that name. This documents a previously unknown chapter in the story of the San Francisco Scene/Monterey Pop Festival. Obtained from the Ralph J. Gleason archive.

http://www.recordmecca.com/admin/uploads%2fmqc%2f955_large_1.jpg

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 6, 2011 8:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: More from Monterey

Video of most of Viola Lee Blues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axAfNjgdey4

Casady, Garcia and Kaukonen

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkr6oe4swl1qhsatdo1_500.jpg

Check out this super cool Garcia sighting on a slitscan camera negative backstage (on left)

http://www.bcx.com/photos/events/concerts/montereypop/W.MontereyPop1967_09.jpg


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Poster: Space Jogger Date: Sep 6, 2011 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

If there was ever a dude that deserved a Hells Angels beat down, its that dude with the harmonica.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 6, 2011 1:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

Are we sure that it's not Pigpen playing harmonica during Alligator? After all, he doesn't seem to be singing or playing the organ. I'd like to think that he'd sound better than that, but why rule it out?

This post was modified by snow_and_rain on 2011-09-06 20:14:28

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 6, 2011 5:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

Well we know Pig always played some fine harmonica on GMLSG, King Bee and other blues standards; even though this is a bit earlier on, I can't imagine he was this bad unless he was just beyond wasted.

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Poster: Space Jogger Date: Sep 6, 2011 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

Because Pigpen does play harmonica during caution. You can obviously tell a difference in the playing.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 6, 2011 7:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

Right on. Pigpen never sounded like this other guy.
I suspect Pig was singing in Alligator, but his mike was dead or not connected. (Could be an aftereffect of the Who smashing all the mikes on the stage?)

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 8, 2011 7:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

Interesting theory about playing in The Who's aftermath. I agree that it doesn't really sound like Pig on Alligator, but I was hoping to rule it out.

Sure, his playing sounds good on Caution, but Caution is a one-chord song that they'd been playing for almost a year and a half at that point. Alligator was still a new song and is a little trickier musically. Given that we don't hear Pig singing or playing the organ, I think it's a least possible that the awful noise we hear is Pigpen trying to work out a harmonica part for Alligator.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 8, 2011 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

Jerry is quoted as having said, more or less: "Monterey was terrible...we were between Jimi and the Who, and just got up, plinked our instruments, and sat down...completely over-shadowed..." or some such.

As with his retort to Mickey about the CREAM, in which he is unwilling to gush as Mickey and Jack C do (see prior threads on their comments), I think Jerry was a big believer in the "DEAD myth", as applied to ANY group: ie, that you can be really "on" and really "off", and in a way, this is a nice perspective to have as a protective device (ie, it's no biggie if you suck, etc., and conversely, the "other guys" are not REALLY that much better than you since they are "just having a good night").

I am not saying Jerry did it for this reason, but I completely reject this notion.

I understand it's "true" at some level, of course, BUT in general, the DEAD from 74 to 82 were largely very uniform when I saw them. Esp if you saw them a number of nights in a row. Subtle diff's, sure, and perhaps enough for a performer to pt to and say "see? we sucked in that tune", but no so much from the AUD perspective, if you follow.

The mythology, by extension is DEFN not true: "oh, well, if you'd seen them on a good night, you'd love them!" The DEAD were the DEAD. You either liked them or did not, but it was impacted very little by which particular night, or era, that you happened to experience them "in", IMnotsoHO.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 8, 2011 8:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

Except that you also hear that harmonica bleating in Cold Rain & Snow, which they'd been doing for over a year!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 8, 2011 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Monterey revisited

You're probably right, although I don't hear Pig's organ on CR&S either. Perhaps they were having trouble getting it hooked up and he unwisely tried to improvise harmonica parts on songs he'd never played harmonica on before. I just think it's possible.

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